FSF-web March 2002

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Volunteer for Free software directory
by Kanti Jadia 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

> From: Ranjit Babu <d0153019(a)ncb.ernet.in> >To: <fsf-web(a)mm.gnu.org.in> >Subject: [Fsf-web] Free Software Directory > > >Hi >I don't know how many people actually are subscribed to this >list.. but >assuming there is a sizeable number, I'd like to suggest we start >building >a directory for free software in India. >Frederick Noronha's article would be a great place to start >building from- >I have a few pages ready with those he has listed; these are on >the lines >of the directory built at www.gnu.org. >We also need to add search capability to this. Volunteers? I hereby volunteer to help build the free software directory for fsf-india Kanti Jadia

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Re: a new logo for Freedom Matters
by Nagarjuna G. 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 10:16:38PM +0530, Gopal.V wrote: > Hi Arun & Nagarjuna, > I'm sending this in hope that the "wavy" logo on the Forum > gets kicked out. That seems to be a bit to weak for a logo for > such a strong movement. > > Khuzaima suggested that the logos be in red as it reflects > a revolution -- I had sent him a set of fluidly colored images, > which came back with the reply "too feminine". > > So this is what I have got -- please put in if you like it. This looks good. Could you move the `F' a little closer to `r'. Nagarjuna

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Static Page design.
by Arun M 01 Apr '02

01 Apr '02

Hi, We had discussion on GNU Art works for FSF India and we got some images. Seems that no suggestions came for page design. Can some one come up with a simple template we can use ? Not with much colors or graphics. Any volunteers ? Also we can up load the projects page and other informations. Arun.

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Re: [Fsf-web] Re: a new logo for Freedom Matters
by Nagarjuna G. 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 05:00:43PM +0530, Gopal . V wrote: > If memory serves me right, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > > I have updated the site with the new logo sent by Gopal. We need > > to work on the stylesheet to get matching colors with the title. > > Do have a look. Should I send the announcement? > > Please put some extra space around that logo I sent. > By doing a canvas size (put the new size align the image in center). > I've done just that now. The image was cropped close in the earlier > case, so that the size may be less. I have put the image that you have sent, after we decide the logo we need to adjust the space anyway. The footer at the bottom should be simple, something like: Powered by Squishdot running on GNU/Linux Instead of the logos. Nagarjuna

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the website and logo issue
by Vinay Pawar 28 Mar '02

28 Mar '02

Hi, http://zoyd.tomk32.de/gnu/index.html http://zoyd.tomk32.de/gnu/boilerplate.html Two things would help to make a website to look and feel Indian. a) text b) images The GNU project's philosophy has been content instead of looks. To achieve this, both text and images should functionally or non-functionally be a part of the content. Text could be made Indian by greeting a visitor with a 'Namaskaar' followed by a standard 'Welcome to the Free ....', projects could have Indian names, like Naba Kumar's Anjuta and Raju Mathur's VishwaKarma. Images should be used as sparingly as possible. I don't think we want to make another one of those Indian portals having images all over for no reason. Some pages could contain random images of places/festivals around the country with a small description of the image. These images would be contributed by hackers from their own city/state. Thereby encouraging involvement. Such images would be put only in pages that are the most viewed instead of all the pages. It would be boring to have (fsf|gnu).org.in to be running phpnuke/slash/squish/zope and the likes. I volunteer to built the (fsf|gnu).org.in website, both backend and frontend. Could someone in the Board or close to it please maintain a offsite list of the tasks at hand and the volunteers working at it. My views on the FSF-I logo and logos in general. Logos are for easy identification of an entity. A Logo is similar to a brand. It needs time for people to associate a logo with an entity. The artwork of a logo must be such that it can be presented in all kinds of media. The most tricky and expensive is the print media. There are very different rules for offset multicolor, digital, screen, block printing, etc. The logo should not loose it's correctness and preferrably also it's effectiveness. There should not be a dependency on color. The GNU head as it is works well for most cases. The GNU head will almost never be used alone. It will be accompanied with the name 'Free Software Foundation of India', on letter heads, visiting cards, brochures, flyers, etc. The Linux penguin doesn't have 'Linux' and 'http://www.linux.org' as a part of it's logo, nor do most logos. It was just a matter of time that people associated the penguin with 'Linux'. Making the name of the organisation a part of the logo artwork is not necessary. The name in a small font size serves no purpose when the name will appear again somewhere around it. We have a handsome and well known logo. The more we use it as it is the better it's for us. Clarity, correctness and simplicity should be the mantra. Think about it. Thanks, Vinay Pawar, Pune.

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Re: regarding www.gnu.org.in
by klak＠giasbm01.vsnl.net.in 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

Hi Akbar, Welcome aboard. All discussion about the website development is now on the fsf-web list. Please see the archives for status. As of now there is no official coordinator. I would think that Nagarjuna would be the best person for that role. Regards, Khuzaima On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:03:49 +0530, Arun M <arun(a)freedevelopers.net> wrote: > Hi Akber, > > Ranjit, and Khuzaima works on the site development. You can get more > information on the status from them. > > Ranjit, Khuzaima: > Akber is a web app developer and willing to help in the development > of FSF India site. Seems that we now have a good number of volunteers > for the development efforts. BTW who is coordinating the efforts ? > > Arun. > > -- Khuzaima A. Lakdawala

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Re: Fwd: httpfs project page
by Nagarjuna G. 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

On Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 05:59:22PM +0530, Khuzaima A. Lakdawala wrote: > On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:58:28 +0530, Arun M <arun(a)freedevelopers.net> wrote: > > > I am fwding it in case i forget to upload the file(was thinking of doing > > it for days ;). > > It's available here: > > http://www.gnu.org.in/projects/httpfs/httpfs.html > > The question is should we link to it directly from the front page for > now? Or should we first create an index of projects? I remember > Dr. Nagarjuna telling us about a web application he has made for the > Mumbai LUG site which automatically generates links based on > sub-directories etc. Can we use something like that to handle the > projects directory? I need just half an hour to do this, but you have to wait till the end of this month. I request all of you not to address me Dr. or Prof. Nagarjuna

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Logo
by klak＠giasbm01.vsnl.net.in 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

If there are no further objections to the Gnu-Peacock combination, Gopal, can you put your artistic hat on again and come up with a draft artwork for the logo? Ideally, it should be some kind of outline artwork (with a transparent background perhaps?) without any dependence on colour. -- Khuzaima A. Lakdawala

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Forum.gnu.org.in
by Nagarjuna G. 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

Following is the draft of the announcement, If it is fine we can post it today. Nagarjuna ---------------- We request all of you consider writing articles for discussion on our http://forum.gnu.org.in, which is our ejournal for FSF-India. Presently only Khuzaima's article is posted. This is a moderated site. Doesn't mean that difference of opinion will not find place. We request authors to use this journal for statements substantiated by facts and reasons. Content that is likely to arouse emotions should find least space, if not no space. This doesn't mean that articles should not have provokative function. But it is also possible to make provocative arguments within the scope of positive critique. Also suggest the kind of categories that we should have on this ejournal of FSF-India. Some examples are: Generalia, News, WhitePapers, Standards (Licenses, etc.), Philosophy, Proposals, eeducation, egovernace, localization, Agenda, Development, ... After we hear from all, we will order them in not more than ten clear categories or so. Let us also start a thread here to arrive at guidelines for editing so that the editor will keep these things in mind while approving articles and comments. We will also keep the guidelines available so that contributors could go through them before submission. Nagarjuna ---------------

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Re: [Fsf-web] Logo
by Nagarjuna G. 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 06:10:31PM +0530, Gopal.V wrote: > If memory serves me right, Nagarjuna G. wrote: > > I looked at the logo. Usually it is not a good idea to use serif > > font. The intercharacter distance is too much, you can reduce > > that and see how it looks. The oval could be little closer. > > Requested changes made, sending it offlist to reduce crowding > it. > > BTW, I think you should announce that the Forum is open for > discussion on the main list. It will help keep the flamewars off > the list ;). I will. Nagarjuna

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The website .....why Zope ?
by Gopal.V 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

Hi E'body, I'm just curious about why Zope is being used in the FSF India website work. I personally think the use of Apache/PHP with Postgres would be far better in the results -- especially with heavy loads on the server. The design and look of a webpage are as important as the content it holds. That's why I offered to help the design team. Also I think Arun might be able to get a copy of what I would call phpGnuke from the FreeDevelopers.net -- Phpnuke with the gifs removed. I have a floating GNU + Fsf India that could easily become a "Freedom Matters" logo. I had the stuff all configured (almost all...) on my box, way back in January. I'm attaching a screenshot. Gopal.V PS: I had attatched a .jpg yesterday -- but got rejected due to the file size limit. Anyone wanting a peek at my work may mail me off list and get the screenshot. -- The difference between insanity and genius is only measured by success //===<=>===\\ || GNU RULEZ || \\===<=>===//

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The website .....why Zope ?
by Gopal.V 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Hi E'body, I'm just curious about why Zope is being used in the FSF India website work. I personally think the use of Apache/PHP with Postgres would be far better in the results -- especially with heavy loads on the server. I haven't used Zope . So some of my comments may be wrong. The design and look of a webpage are as important as the content it holds. I think a few php hacks can be done to deliver the correct format for the appropriate browser. (templatising html for browsers). Also this will allow separation of the logic & presentation layer. Even otherwise the advantages of Mixing HTML with php is a very good way to reduce SQL load. Also writing PHP Scripts is no big deal. A *lot* of freesoftware php tools are running round sf.net & savannah which may solve many of our problems. Some of php's special mentions include the phplib, phpwiki, phpnuke, phpgroupware...... Also I think Arun might be able to get a copy of what I would call phpGnuke from the FreeDevelopers.net -- with the gifs removed. I have a floating GNU + Fsf India that could easily become a Freedom Matters logo. Also if we use phpnuke we'll have to use mysql (sic) -- But the savings on work is unimaginable. Why reinvent the wheel ?. All in all the look surpasses SquishDot anyday !. I had the stuff all configured (almost all...) on my box, way back in January. I'm attatching a reduced screenshot . Gopal.V <<demo.jpg.gz>> -- The difference between insanity and genius is only measured by success //===<=>===\\ || GNU RULEZ || \\===<=>===//

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Free Software Directory
by Ranjit Babu 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Hi I don't know how many people actually are subscribed to this list.. but assuming there is a sizeable number, I'd like to suggest we start building a directory for free software in India. Frederick Noronha's article would be a great place to start building from- I have a few pages ready with those he has listed; these are on the lines of the directory built at www.gnu.org. We also need to add search capability to this. Volunteers?

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Volunteer for Free software directory
by Kanti Jadia 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

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Update
by klak＠giasbm01.vsnl.net.in 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

Have updated (rather belatedly) the what's new page with RMS' remaining engagements at Delhi and Bombay. Khuzaima

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Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Updating the site.
by Nagarjuna G. 17 Mar '02

17 Mar '02

Done from side too! It is now forum.gnu.org.in, why not also forum.gnu.org.in point to the same place. Nagarjuna On Sat, 16 Mar 2002, Arun M wrote: ->I think i maild you about this earlier. ->forum.gnu.org.in for squishdot. -> ->----- Forwarded message from Radhakrishnan CV <cvr(a)river-valley.org> ----- -> ->Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:53:02 +0530 (IST) ->From: Radhakrishnan CV <cvr(a)river-valley.org> ->To: Arun M <arun(a)freedevelopers.net> ->cc: <cvr(a)river-vally.com> ->Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Updating the site. -> ->On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 at 11:22, Arun M wrote: -> -> Please add a A record to gnu.org.in so that -> forum.gnu.org.in points -> to 158.144.1.20 -> -> Also we need to make fsf.org.in point to gnu.org.in -> ->OK. will do it right now. -> ->-- ->Radhakrishnan -> ->----- End forwarded message ----- -> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nagarjun(a)hbcse.tifr.res.in www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/gn/ Key fingerprint = C1E2 1B8C 8E98 A697 68B7 ADAC E956 6D4B DE90 BF01

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Welcome
by klak＠giasbm01.vsnl.net.in 12 Mar '02

12 Mar '02

Let's get things started with a brief introduction. The FSF-India website is presently hosted by Dr. Nagarjuna at TIFR. Arun has been the de-facto webmaster. Besides the website, www.gnu.org.in, there is also a web magazine, Freedom Matters, at http://www.hbcse.tifr.res.in/fsfindia/ developed by Dr. Nagarjuna and Arun. Dr. Nagarjuna is of the opinion that the main website can be done using zope which enables collective and dynamic development of the website. For this he can provide a starting template. An example of a site made using zope by Dr. Nagarjuna is here: http://www.ilug-bom.org.in/ Well? -- Khuzaima A. Lakdawala

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